How will utility bills change in the near future?

Will utility payments for pensioners 70 years and older be abolished?

I saw great news for the coming summer: Vladimir Putin has decided to cancel utility bills for pensioners 70 years and older.
Allegedly, on May 25, 2020, at the convening of the State Duma, the president announced this news, namely the abolition of utility bills for pensioners aged 70 years and older. The putin24.info portal even quotes the president’s words: “I’m tired of receiving tear-stained letters from all over Russia and responding to grievances live. The government needs to take care of our pensioners into its hands today and right now. After all, most of them believe in us and entrusted the fate of Russia to me.

I would also like to note that the law should not contain any reservations regarding region, length of service, etc. Strictly, once a pensioner reaches 70 years of age, there should be no payment for utility services; they are ready to take control. It should be in automatic mode, 70 years have passed, there should be no applications to the housing and communal services, no certificates and no calls. We shouldn’t burden pensioners with having to go through all the authorities. This should be done by accountable structures.”

Of course, judging by the source, it smells like a fake. And yet, if this is truly an idea implemented in at least a year, I will give Putin a standing ovation.

Bottom Line

1) The level of well-being of Russians will increase.

2) The reduction in tariffs for utilities and gasoline can be compensated many times by raising prices to world prices or higher, depending on the quality of exported goods, raw materials and services. Against the backdrop of growing sanctions against us, this will be the right decision.

3) Improving the psychological climate in the country, increasing trust in the authorities, and therefore reducing the level of human stress and, consequently, reducing diseases, patriotic enthusiasm, working capacity, and demographic growth.

4) A fall in gasoline prices will reduce transportation costs, the main problem for our state, and therefore prices for consumer goods and services will fall.

5) Cheap gasoline will increase the performance of small and large businesses, will allow Russians to make more trips to recreational and tourism destinations within the country, to distant relatives, on business trips, etc. The influx of domestic tourism will ensure the growth of small, medium, large businesses and the popularity of their resorts for the residents of our Motherland, the growth of culture, patriotism and national identity, the level of happiness, comfort, and, accordingly, life expectancy, since happiness and positive emotions, in contrast to stress and experiences improve the emotional and physical background, which has a positive effect on physiology.

6) General economic growth, indirect growth of all spheres of life, development of Russia.

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Most likely this is a pure duck). I don’t remember such far-reaching plans announced by the President.

And if you think about it wisely, where will suddenly the budget get so much extra money that it could easily be spent on charity? And paying for utilities by the state is undoubtedly pure charity.

Judge for yourself: there are now about 43 million pensioners in Russia. Let's assume that about 20 million of them are over 70 years old. Let’s assume that a pensioner pays monthly 4.2 thousand rubles, or about 50 thousand rubles, for a communal apartment. in year. This means that in order to cover these expenses of pensioners, the state must annually allocate: 20 million x 50 thousand rubles = 1 trillion (!) rubles! Yes, this is only a little more than two times less than is allocated per year for the country’s defense! Well, where can you find that extra money? Nowhere. And that is why pensioners have paid for utilities and will continue to pay.

According to currently available data, elderly pensioners are exempt from contributions for major repairs and have benefits for utilities. As far as we know, no one is going to completely abolish this. Moreover, this is simply unreasonable, as it will harm the organizations that provide these same services to residential buildings. I admit that in some cases it will be possible not only partial, but also full compensation by the state for utility services, but only under certain conditions. For example, living alone, in an apartment not exceeding a certain area. Reimbursement of costs, not cancellation.

Otherwise, service companies will incur losses or distribute payments to other residents of the house. Whether the other residents will want to pay for the old lady who spies on them (who came, with whom she came, what clothes she wears) or for the old man who scratches the car with his stick, which, as it seems to him, is blocking the passage, I don’t know.

It is impossible to cancel payments for utility services by pensioners, because this will lead to the ruin of service companies and the collapse of all housing and communal systems. If we can talk about anything, it’s compensation to pensioners of a certain amount so that the money remaining after paying utility bills constitutes at least some semblance of a living wage.

But compensation already exists today. So, I don’t foresee any new revolutionary changes. In addition, the complete abolition of utilities will lead to excessive consumption of water and electricity, because if everything is done for free, then few people will save.

Pensioners over 70 years of age are one of the poorest categories of the population in our country and they are in dire need of exemption from all or most utility bills.

But this will never happen - because our state simply does not have the money for this.

Where to get the money, you ask?

Russia pumped 100 billion dollars into the US economy by purchasing American bonds - Moskovsky Komsomolets writes about this today, see http: //www.mk.ru/economic s/2017/05/16/rossiya -zakachala-100-mlrd- v-ekonomiku-ssha-kup iv-amerikanskie-obli gacii.html, why not use this money within our country?

Russia is an amazing country, only in our country can you become a millionaire after your whole family burns down in a fire, only here can you receive care in old age, when people around you invite old people to kindergartens and sometimes give up your seat on a bus or at the entrance to a cemetery. Let's say that after seventy years old people will not pay for utilities, but who will pay for them in this case? Those who are sixty-nine and under will pay. But what is the difference between an old man at sixty-nine and an old man at seventy? Maybe the younger one lives richer and healthier? No. It is easier to raise the size of the pension so that all pensioners can pay for everything and live comfortably. But you can’t do that, there is no money and there won’t be, as he said. It’s easier to come up with another benefit that almost no one will go for, because in order to apply for a benefit in Mother Russia, you can walk to death in offices and offices. Tea, not America, where officials go after pensioners and persuade them to sign up for benefits. It is possible that someone said something about utility bills, but the Russian media, as always, distorted everything and passed off wishful thinking. Finally, I’m almost sixty-eight, but I’m against not paying for utilities and against any benefits due to age, because all old people are different, some worked honestly and conscientiously all their lives, created what was necessary and useful, while others drank all their lives, They stole, sat in camps, did nothing useful for the country, and with benefits they are trying to put an honest person and a thief on the same level. A greater humiliation cannot be imagined for an honest man.

At least all news publications write about this. Whether this is true or not, we will, of course, find out on Direct Line with the President, because such a question will definitely be asked.

Pensioners in any case receive subsidies, and after seventy they are exempt from paying for major repairs.

The press writes that supposedly Putin is tired of receiving letters from pensioners saying that the pension is small and it is very difficult to pay extra in addition to the subsidy, and he says that therefore this problem should be solved as soon as possible.

So that automatically, after reaching this age, payments for housing and communal services are completely withdrawn.

Let's see and soon find out how it will be in reality.

Most likely this news is just another invention of journalists. Perhaps Putin spoke about the abolition of fees, for example, for general house needs or for something else, for example, penny fees for major repairs, which seem to have been abolished.

The first question with such generosity from the state is: if 70-year-olds don’t pay, then who will pay, all the other residents?

My mother-in-law has benefits for utility bills, as a veteran of the labor front, so they cannot return her money from last year, it is not in the budget. There are no subsidized medications, which are also required. Rather, they will come up with some kind of additional payment for those who have a small pension, and to receive this additional payment they will have to spend a month visiting officials’ offices and collecting documents.

Regarding the fact that Putin will initiate the abolition of utility bills for pensioners over 70 years of age, let me doubt this. In my opinion, only some relaxations in payment are possible. For example, they may cancel certain types of payments for this age category (major repairs or general house needs, and so on), or provide some additional benefits.

It is simply impossible to cancel all payments. After all, there are quite a lot of pensioners in Russia, including those over 70. And this step, that is, the abolition of utility bills, will either lead to the collapse of the housing and communal services system, or will place an unbearable burden on other categories of residents.

Just my opinion. It's May 2020 now.

The legend is fresh, but hard to believe!

Some online publications reprint these alleged words of Putin,

which he conveyed to reporters:

I can confidently say that the style of speech is not at all similar to our president.

The first phrase is especially suspicious; it simply reeks of falsehood.

Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich does not express himself this way.

I will be very surprised if all this turns out to be true.

At least at the moment, few people believe this.

By the way, the style of this address is more like Zhirinovsky.

Vladimir Volfovich could learn something like this.

He can even swear, but Putin can never.

After all, our president is an intelligent man, so he will never allow

disrespect for an elderly person, with whom the first phrase simply shines through and is saturated

this deceitful, semi-literate treatment.

I am sure that Putin would have found other, more sensitive words

and would never say that domineering and rude “I’m tired”

which hurts the ears so unpleasantly.

Our utilities are not cheap; most of our funds are spent on paying for them. And those who live on pensions receive very, very little. What remains after pensioners pay for utilities every month?

What if such people have no relatives and no one helps? If, in addition, you have to spend money on medicine?

Is it really possible that times will come when pensioners over 70 will not pay for utilities? Then, this is a great blessing!

On this subject, you can read an article with a bright hook:

And here are the words of the president himself, which were heard on May 25, 2018 in the Duma (the information was on the channel “I am a pensioner”):

And now we just have to hope that it will be so! Although, perhaps, this news is once again being spread by information sources because it is hard to believe. It was easier for Putin to raise pensions for those over 70 years old than to abolish payments for utility services altogether.

Who can change the amount of utility bills?

The bill establishes who changes the amount of payment for utility services, as well as the procedure for interaction in this case between the resource supply organization and the person responsible for the maintenance and repair of common property in an apartment building.

As stated in the document, in the case of management of an apartment building (MAB) by the owners of the premises, the resource supplying organization will change the amount of payment for utilities in the prescribed manner if the specified violations occurred up to the boundaries of the common property in the apartment building and the boundaries of the external networks of engineering and technical support for this building.

Corresponding additions are planned to be made to Art. 157.2 Housing Code of the Russian Federation. Before the adoption of the bill, owners are required to approve at a general meeting a list of services and work for the maintenance and repair of common property in the apartment building. The amount of payment for the maintenance of residential premises must be proportionate to the list, volume of work and services for the maintenance and repair of common property, taking into account the features and characteristics of a particular house.

Vladimir Putin decided to cancel utility payments for pensioners 70 years and older.

On May 25, 2020, at the convening of the State Duma, our president announced good news, namely the abolition of utility bills for pensioners aged 70 years and older.

What caused this? Yes, he shared it in front of reporters namely. I'm tired of receiving tear-stained letters from all over Russia and responding to complaints live. The government needs to take care of our pensioners into its hands today and right now. After all, most of them believe in us and entrusted the fate of Russia to me.

I would also like to note that the law should not contain any reservations regarding region, length of service, etc. Strictly, once a pensioner reaches 70 years of age, there should be no payment for utility services; they are ready to take control. It should be in automatic mode, 70 years have passed, there should be no applications to the housing and communal services, no certificates and no calls. We shouldn’t burden pensioners with having to go through all the authorities. Accountable structures should do this

Rebuilding the USSR after the war was very difficult, but here is at least some joy in old age. If only they had accepted it in a week. but such miracles do not happen, and the proof is suspicious.

ps: when will they take up the quality of providing those same services?

Proof is sooo interesting

Come on. My 6000 runs during the heating season. They're roaring loudly from the utilities. Half of my mother's pension. It’s hard to believe that bees will refuse honey.

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Oga exactly. Source from the Czech Republic. Oh well.

First of all, it's fake. Secondly, we need to develop the economy, and not engage in populism:

Nonsense from the same series, when the country’s income needs to be increased (more technology, production, support for entrepreneurship at all levels, eradication of corruption and bureaucracy), they simply propose to stupidly increase expenses (at the expense of other budget items).

We need to take the government in hand! Take it firmly! And keep everyone in line, so that they don’t dare fart without asking! So that they are afraid!

I'll bet 1 American dollar that by the end of this year the law abolishing housing and communal services for people over 70 years old will not be adopted.

Now it will start, I don’t argue on the Internet, my religion doesn’t allow me.

I scored, this is what I got

while January is thinking

Unique offer I bet 5 American dollars that by the end of this year the law abolishing housing and communal services for people over 70 years old will not be adopted.

Indeed, suddenly it’s not fake and you will become 5 bucks richer. I won’t be much poorer, but I’ll be happy for the pensioners. Are you accepting the bet or business as usual? Now it will start, I don’t argue on the Internet, my religion doesn’t allow me.

January vision problems? Decided not to notice? So I’ll repeat it, it’s not difficult for me.

I'll bet 1 American dollar that by the end of this year the law abolishing housing and communal services for people over 70 years old will not be adopted.

Now it will start, I don’t argue on the Internet, my religion doesn’t allow me.

If a pensioner lives with non-pensioners, will that part be cancelled? Or then - NOT ALLOWED?

100% of compensation for housing and communal services will not come from the budget for shortfalls. As has happened before. The bankrupt housing and communal services industry will die completely.

I suggest you start sending letters about the constantly rising price of gasoline, just in case.

Fuck the king of the mob threw a piece. But I think - fuck them!

Pence have children - they help. They raised them. And so, it’s not the government that will pay for them, but the people.

I’m just tempted to sprinkle a crap-stained, oh, tear-stained letter to the Leader on behalf of the pensioners, and not only them, but all of us.

"Vova, my dear! There is a thought: stop producing not very smart ideas, because it is much easier to try to bring the ratio of costs of goods and services to the income of pensioners and the entire working population to parameters that provide us all with a normal life. That's all! And you, my dear, will forget about the tear-stained letters and swearing from the entire population “sincerely devoted” to you! Well, try to strain and strain the brilliant managers around you, “emaciated” in the struggle for the happiness of the people!”

no, you don't understand.

he said everything correctly, but no one announced the standards for free utilities (I haven’t read the above yet)

- housing - 18 square meters or reduce property taxes by these meters - water - 2.5 cubic meters - electricity - 50 kilowatts - gas - for heating 18 sq.m. and 50% for the stove (if there is no meter) - heating - free 18 sq.m. - garbage (for some separately) by 50%

— internet — not included — telephone (for those with a landline) — not included

And nothing will change in this country until the people understand that the government, and specifically Putin, is just a servant who, on behalf of the masters, i.e. The people, in theory, are put in charge of the household while the bar earns money.

And when a maid steals silver and shows off in front of the servants of another house, what do they do with her? That's right, out the door and on all four sides of a tailwind.

Where does this servility come from towards a person who has not been able to cope with his responsibilities for 18 years?

What caused this? Yes, he shared it in front of reporters namely. I'm tired of receiving tear-stained letters from all over Russia and responding to complaints live. The government needs to take care of our pensioners into its hands today and right now. After all, most of them believe in us and entrusted the fate of Russia to me.

I would also like to note that the law should not contain any reservations regarding region, length of service, etc. Strictly, once a pensioner reaches 70 years of age, there should be no payment for utility services; they are ready to take control. It should be in automatic mode, 70 years have passed, there should be no applications to the housing and communal services, no certificates and no calls. We shouldn’t burden pensioners with having to go through all the authorities. Accountable structures should do this

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Sorry, but it's crazy.

Who will pay for these pensioners? I'll tell you who... the other residents of this house are. That is, now: 1. There will be a bunch of housing that belongs to 71-year-old pensioners, and 12 young laborers will live there 2. Cunning or senile pensioners will now keep all electrical appliances on, and the water will run hot... well, why... you can’t let it through will be needed. You don't have to pay for it.

Carrying a pence through the courts for non-payment of utilities is damaging to the image, but there is nothing to take from it. And everyone else will pay. I would not be surprised that for greater efficiency, the money will be passed through the pension fund.

Retirement age seems to be approaching earlier. Not ?

But in Turkmenistan, they DO NOT PAY FOR UTILITIES. Jeans made from natural cotton will cost you only $2 here (by the way, these are exactly what Hollywood diva Jennifer Lopez wears). Once a month, every resident of Turkmenistan can receive 120 liters of gasoline absolutely free, and if there is not enough, a liter here costs only 20 cents. The average monthly salary in the country is $300, despite the fact that the reserves in the subsoil are 10,000,000 less than in Russia. Probably because the President has no friends or cellists. Not ?

From here. And we need to start with those who protect this bullshit.

The current situation with pensioners is a disgrace to today's government. The state pays those who have worked their entire lives at state-owned enterprises a meager pension of 12-14 thousand rubles. and immediately confiscates it through housing and communal services in the amount of 6-8 tr.

Hence, exempting pensioners (at least those over 70) from paying housing and communal services is a completely reasonable and socially oriented action.

Moreover, there are not so many pensioners (those over 70) in the country (2-3%) of the total population.

The next question is: at whose expense is the banquet? The answer is due to the margins of state corporations that monopolistically provide public services. Naturally, neither Gazprom, nor the energy sector, nor the water utility will want to reduce their own margins and will spread the losses with an “unscheduled increase in tariffs” for all other citizens.

How much can tariffs go up? Let's say pensioners make up 3% of the population. In total, we get an increase in tariffs by 3%. Deadly? For anyone, working is not fatal. And to those who are yelling “they will rip off the money from the people again,” I would say this - everything, damn it, that you now use in everyday life was built by these same pensioners (houses, roads, hospitals, schools, etc., etc. . ).

For a grandmother counting her meager pennies, this means saving more than 50% of her funds. I really think that such a measure would be very positively received by the people. Stupidly, the threat of forced survival (eviction for utility debts, etc.) would be removed from elderly pensioners.

Now what could go wrong: Our people are cunning, and through any loophole they will try to steal something. Stupidly, I threw a carrier from a pensioner neighbor and use the electricity for free. Or they will start registering/decorating non-fucking palaces of 1500 sq.m. for pensioners, so as not to pay utilities for such a house. I believe that free housing and communal services should be limited. A certain number of services. Allowed 20 sq.m. living space per person? For 20 sq.m. area pensioner and will receive a discount. A pensioner burns an average of 100 kW. per month? There will be a discount for 100 kW. And for 10 cubic meters. water. And he doesn’t pay a fee for the removal of solid waste, and he doesn’t pay for major repairs.

In general, I would like to see such an idea implemented. Nowadays, pensioners still live in at least some degree of poverty and exist as long as both spouses are alive. As soon as one dies, the second survives on his only pension, strictly saving on EVERYTHING.

The main thing is to survive! Putin about pensioners over 70

The channel “I am a pensioner” reported the good news:

On May 25, 2020, the President of Russia announced the good news about the abolition of utility bills for pensioners aged 70 years and older:

“I’m tired of receiving tear-stained letters from all over Russia and responding to complaints live. The government needs to take care of our pensioners into its hands today and right now. After all, most of them believe in us and entrusted the fate of Russia to me.

I would also like to note that the law should not contain any reservations regarding region, length of service, etc. Strictly, once a pensioner reaches 70 years of age, there should be no payment for utility services; they are ready to take control. It should be in automatic mode, 70 years have passed, there should be no applications to the housing and communal services, no certificates and no calls. We shouldn’t burden pensioners with having to go through all the authorities. This should be done by accountable structures..."

Let us recall that Putin recently made life easier for another, even more honorable category of pensioners, by exempting citizens who have crossed the 80-year mark from paying for major repairs. Moreover, those who are only 70 years old can receive a 50 percent discount on the cost of major repairs.